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Re: Obama and the Experience Argument (2.00 / 1)

Rec'd.  The Linclon and Clinton Comparisons are pretty close, with the exception that Clinton had executive experience.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 02:27:01 PM EST

Lincoln had way more experience (none / 0)

and distinguished himself clearly. In the short time he was in the Illinois state leg, his peers elected him Whig Party leader. Then in his own law practice he tried 400 cases, many before the state supreme court. Obama never tried a case. In fact, look for his accomplishments as a lawyer (not as a law professor.) You'll find that on one or two successful cases his firm fought, he was a member of the team.

I think what stands out is Obama, aside from being Harvard Law Review president (at which time he never published any articles, so the next year they established a formal requirement that the president HAD to publish) didn't distinguish himself much.


by catfish2 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:31:41 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (2.00 / 2)

Obama was a lecturer in Con Law, and a comunity organizer, and won a tough Senate Primary against the Chicago Machine.  

But you really don't care, do you?  You just looking to score points.  Bravo to you, I say.

Anyway, we'd be lucky as a nation if Obama was half as great a president as Lincoln.


by NewOaklandDem on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 06:34:21 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (2.00 / 4)

"Anyway, we'd be lucky as a nation if Obama was half as great a president as Lincoln."

Interesting concept.  Let's fill in the table a bit more:

Barrack Obama = 0.5 Lincolns
John McCain = 0.05 Lincolns
George W Chimpboy = 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000001 Lincolns


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 07:25:00 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (2.00 / 1)

I think you are giving chimpy waaaaay too much credit. You should have left off the 1.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:31:23 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (none / 0)

Actually, there should be residual RNA simularities, (from several thousand generations back), that I believe will justify the "1."  

It's unfortunate that anyone has to share a genetic branch with Chimpy, but that's evolution for you!


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 10:39:50 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (none / 0)

I'll bet Jeb wishes he didn't share dna with chimpy.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 10:46:44 PM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (none / 0)

Truer words have never been spoken.  

I believe that there is a video from a couple of years ago at Jeb's retirement as governor:  Bush 41 is speaking at his son's departure, and he starts to tear up about this exact thing.  He knew that the "Bush" brand was dead.  Jeb was supposed to be the heir apparent.

GHWB knew in 2006, how much his son had fucked up his presidency, and also knew that Jeb's future as a politician was also over as a result.  


Obama/Adam West or Bruce Campbell or Lucy Lawless '08
by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem on Thu Jul 24, 2008 at 12:05:38 AM EST
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Re: Lincoln had way more experience (none / 0)

Wouldn't you say that, all things considered, Obama has done plenty to distinguish himself from his peers? People like to dismiss it as "he gives good speeches", but the truth is it takes a broad and varied skillset to achieve what Obama has achieved in the last 15 years.


www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com
by LandStander on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 09:53:34 PM EST
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Hmmm... (none / 0)


In virtual synchronicity with Bush's acquiescence to Obama's policy on Iran, the government of Israel exchanged prisoners and remains with Lebanon and Hezbollah.  Two days before Obama's arrival in Israel the government announced the construction of a new Arab city in Galilee, the first such project since 1948.  In his June address to AIPAC, Obama specifically recommended his own prescription for peace that included the following sentence:

"Israel can also advance the cause of peace by taking appropriate steps consistent with its security to ease the freedom of movement for Palestinians and improve economic conditions in the West Bank."

It is now abundantly clear that the junior Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, is having an impact on international diplomacy even though he is still merely the presumptive Democratic nominee for president.

Michael Carmichael - Obama Forces Flip-Flops to Paralyze McCain The Huffington Post 23 Jul 08

Influencing policy before he's even elected?  That's not just experience, that's phenomenal.  Some of you may have forgotten he majored in Political Science with a specialisation in International Relations at Columbia University, a breeding ground for State Department careerists and think tankers.


by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 10:55:07 PM EST
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