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So why is a Obama related article always (2.00 / 4)

turn into bash Hillary? If Obama is targetted unfairly, comment on that and prove the meme wrong.

Your above statement

So then what experience did Hillary have? She didn't have any executive experience. No, being married to Bill doesn't count.

is so way out of proportion, completely ridiculous, something that was bandied literally freely in the primary camp by anti HRC folks especially in the blogs. Hillary Clinton, while married to Bill Clinton, worked mostly in the private sector practicising as a lawyer ('78-'92) and a partner to the Rose Law Firm before Bill started his first presidency in 1992.
For your information HRC was selected as a Top 100 lawyer nationally by Time magazine twice during that period. When Bill was earning $35,000 salary as the Arkansas Governor, she was the one earning enough in the private sector to run the family.

Learn more,
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articl e/0,9171,974745-1,00.html

Thank you very much for your time.


by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 03:40:49 PM EST
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To be fair... (none / 0)

Clinton's experience in Rose Law Firm wasn't "executive experience."  Technically the logic holds.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:08:22 PM EST
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A law firm partner does have private sector (2.00 / 1)

executive experience..technically the logic does not hold.


by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:14:31 PM EST
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Fair enough (2.00 / 1)

I kinda consider "executive experience" to be on the order of "CEO" or "President."  I always got the impression that Clinton was Rose's master networker, not really a decision-maker type.

That said, I tend to agree with you that not counting her extensive pre-office experience is extremely short-sighted, just as Obama's Harvard Law Review and community service experiences are significant.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:21:23 PM EST
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I think the Law Firms or likes of the Auditing (none / 0)

Firms work little differently than other companies where there is a single CEO or President. In a Law Firm it is the partners responsibility to bring in the business clientale. I'm not a lawyer or an expert in private practices that's my limited knowledge.

But definitely yes to what to you said about pre-office experiences for Obama and HRC.


by louisprandtl on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:26:27 PM EST
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Re: I think the Law Firms or likes of the Auditing (none / 0)

DramAmicron, there is no comparison of experience on the national scene between Hillary and Barack.  To state otherwise is disingenuous.  Do I really need to remind you of Hillary's involvement in Nixon's impeachment?  Her bonafides since?
The nomination is settled.  The primary is over.  The conversation is now Obama and McCain (and, for purposes of this diary, some fool who posted a diary that is incoherent, at best, but who claims to be a yellow dem).

Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:44:05 PM EST
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Er, what? (2.00 / 1)

Nobody's arguing with you.  I'm not denegrating what Clinton's done in her life, I was making a distinction over types of experience, and later admitted that it wasn't all that important in the long run.  

Why are you making fun of my name like a grade schooler?


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:59:39 PM EST
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Once you realize she's had more decision-making (1.00 / 1)

experience, you can safely conclude "it wasn't all that important in the long run."


by catfish2 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:33:00 PM EST
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With all due respect (none / 0)

I'm not talking to you.  I'm talking to Denny.


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by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:39:47 PM EST
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NANCY REAGAN FOR PREZ!!!! (1.00 / 1)

Clearly let us be consistent, I mean, she has governors wife experience and presidents wife experience, clearly the most qualified candidate.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:00:20 PM EST
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Re: NANCY REAGAN FOR PREZ!!!! (2.00 / 1)

Your snark reeks of Democrat attack.  


Purity! Or else!
by ChitownDenny on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:03:25 PM EST
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Re: NANCY REAGAN FOR PREZ!!!! (2.00 / 5)

Being the Presidents wife is not experience to be president.  If I recall correctly, early in Bill's presidency she tried to be active and failed miserably.  Then she went back to the background and made some speeches and hosted dinners.

The argument on its face is silly, Hillary and Obama are both qualified, both gave different talents and abilities.  Both are natural born citizens over 35. But the claim that Being a Presidents wife qualifies one is silly.  


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:24:36 PM EST
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Sexist sexist (none / 0)

Just evaluate her experience. Do not nullify years on her resume because she was somebody's wife. You set all women back when you do that.


by catfish2 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:34:33 PM EST
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I am not (2.00 / 2)

I am stating that being s presidents wife is not experience, it just isnt.  The work with Rose is, her time in the senate is, things she did on her own are. The being first lady argument is flawed at best.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:37:47 PM EST
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Re: I am not (2.00 / 2)

I haven't seen anyone claim in this thread that being the president's wife counts as executive experience (although it certainly is some type of experience).
You can stop beating that dead horse now.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:54:13 PM EST
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Re: A law firm partner does have private sector (none / 0)

Umm... "Executive Experience" generally refers to the EXECUTIVE branch of government, i.e. the Presidency.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 04:48:06 PM EST
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There are a number of different interpretations (2.00 / 3)

General Clark, for example, considers strategic theatre command to be "executive" experience.  Others consider governorships or mayoral positions to be "executive."  Some others believe that running a company grants the sort of high level responsibility that's desired in a leader.

Personally I find it all to be bullshit, because there's not a single candidate who is ready to be president when they're chosen for the position the first time; it's not the sort of job where you can really get ready for it via methods other than on-the-job training.


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President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:05:46 PM EST
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She led efforts though (2.00 / 1)

he only participated on teams in the brief period he was at a civil rights law firm.

In terms of taking initiative and leading, Hillary Clinton outflanks Obama by a pretty clear margin.

At least it looks that way if you compare their Wikipedia pages.


by catfish2 on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 05:17:06 PM EST
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